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The Fishinpedia Club House / Re: Good Morning All! :)
« Last post by iamski on Yesterday at 12:56:56 PM »
Afternoon all. We're in for some thunder showers this afternoon and could be heavy at times too. As this cold front moves through today, should be a good day tomorrow. It''s my Wednesday tournament. Just have to wait and see. Hope all have a great day and be safe out there too.
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The Fishinpedia Club House / Re: Good Morning All! :)
« Last post by bassmedic46 on Yesterday at 11:06:58 AM »
Good Morning Everyone, very humid out this morning. Supposed to be getting 2.5” of rain this afternoon. I hope everyone has a great day and stays hydrated. I hope everyone has a great day and tight lines.
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Optics Matter Underwater as well as vibration/ lure motion.

Soft plastics are my forte and easier for me to offer examples of what fish see and respond to. Their properties consist of :
Contrast - internal when black glitter is seen through clear or semi clear plastic or external reflections of color and light when the plastic is opaque. Here is an example of the first example:



Note that light is captured internally more by the underbelly of the grub's body but reflected less off its upper surface. Internal contrast consists of the black glitter within, whereas bright glitter (chartreuse or silver) would reflect light in all directions within the plastic creating a flash effect.

A segmented grub creates a different optical appearance than one that is smooth from front to back. Segments added by Creme many decades ago were molded in to convince anglers that fish believed the lure to be an earthworm and, as far as sales went, worked great. But many years later, GY designed the Senko with an almost smooth body that depended more on action using a wacky rig than surface texture to convince anglers of its superiority against most soft stick sold. (First example of that which makes a lure superior.)

What I'm getting at is the fact that optics - what fish see - can matter when it comes to light and a lure's use of it. Segmented lures don't really work better than smooth surface lure, but it can't hurt when considering how they may excel in low light conditions (IE under cloudy sky or in early morning).

Here's an idea that may have merit and what always strive to make happen:
Fish respond to some lures because they must.
Given all of the characteristic combinations a lure possesses - light effects, shape, action, size and action, a good lure either has the right combination or not for the simple reason that most strikes are INVOLUNTARY. Consider this:

A fish is minding its own business suspended off bottom or in the weeds. Here comes along an object that may or may not simulate anything in nature but moves just right at the right speed, with the right action, looking vulnerable enough to pique it's aggressive nature and a strike is the result. Many anglers insist the strike is a feeding phenomena or one of curiosity or anger or any number of human reasons, but if that were so the great majority of lures would provoke strikes, which as we all know simply don't or can't because fish don't have the brains to label unreal objects as food. (Take in-line spinners or the Chatterbait for example.)

Now when it comes to lure action and optics, much of the time less is best. The lateral line in combination with superb underwater vision comparable to that of an eagle, can detect the slightest motion and the least amount of light reflected off or within a lure - fish survival depend on it! Once a fish's senses are excited by an object's physical properties, it becomes a guided missile that homes in on the object - no thought, just an attack & grab priority which usually ends as fast as it began (though many of the fish I catch are on repeated casts to them because their aggressive state became so high after the first cast).

So when comparing lures, how do you decide which to keep or store in the basement or closet? Looking at the two similar lures below, one might opt for the one with eyes and head.


But actually, the eye is a distraction from the lure's subtle action and the head design hurts it. Therefore a minor modification was in order:


...and now the lure catches fish.

Same for the Sassy Shad below.

A. not so much, B. maybe a bit better, but C works far better due to a more streamline body and thin straight tail that moves regardless of how still the lure is. Examples of what can make or break a lure's success rate.

One last thing: just because a lure isn't small doesn't mean it can't catch fish that range smaller than bass. This crappie must have been really excited to attack this swimbait:


What this tells me is that at times larger fish of any species become excited by larger lures (IE more meat on the hook to target) that move right, look right, etc. Even smaller fish can get excited by lures more than half their size:


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I could be wrong, but I believe most anglers never think about why lures of the same type differ when it comes to catching or not catching fish regardless the species. Some lures get hit by all species that hit lures; some not as much or ever.

You all have used crankbaits that were similar in color, depth range, action and size, yet some obviously do far better. This is true for all lures in a category. It's difficult to put our finger on it, but possible in many cases. Yozuri crankbaits as beautiful as they are in my experience don't hold a candle to certain Lucky Craft lures similar in shape and action. (Still haven't figured why.) But numbers of fish caught over time determine lure superiority and that's what matters!

Books have been written regarding what fish see and feel when it comes to lures, but little has touched on the combination of physical factors fish react to other than they mimic this or that prey animal. Bass Resource owner and his followers blast any theory that does not support sponsor claims that fish strike certain lures based on what fish think a lure represents, whereas Mike Cork on Ultimate Bass Resource is an example of open mindedness when it comes to proposals regarding the strike and fully supports thinking outside the box

Anglers who have over 40 years of bass fishing under their belts, have caught fish many ways on many lures and rely on fish caught as proof of a lures superiority. Granted, skill levels vary and even KVD can make the worst lure made catch fish, but for the most of us, lures must have whatever it takes for even inexperienced anglers to get a limit. The next part (reply) offers my theory that which makes lures provoke fish into striking due to purely the physical attributes of lures and the fish senses they affect that cause the overload in their simple brains.
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Thanks so much guys for the kudos! (Would have replied sooner but forgot to check instant reply notification in advanced settings)

First off, I don't ever want to come across as preaching ideas; I discuss ideas and offer a different point of view for anyone interested to consider based on discoveries that proved to bare some truth regarding fishing for any species. When I say any species, I mean bass, trout, panfish, some salt water species, pickerel and walleye that have been caught with using lures supposedly not meant for them.

What I've found and continue to find are lures that are different in some way than the usual selection sold. That in itself forces me to consider using new designs, modifications and sometimes bizarre looking lures pretty much forever. At present, soft plastics are my media of lure design and the easiest to make and then duplicate once proven on different outings and waters.

Photo logs of each outing per each water fished, are recorded proof that something worked or worked with a different presentation. When I can catch five species in one day on one lure, that tells me that those fish aren't picky nor capable of being picky when the right lure is used the right way, but only if the strike energy level is above zero. The higher it is, the easier it is to provoke a fish - any fish to strike. That level must be high for a fish to strike a surface lure or to attack a moderately fast moving spinnerbait. But the nice thing about using lures that work when the level is low (suspending fish just hanging out for example), are the sheer variety of lures that catch more fish more times.

Our challenge is finding those lures and many of you already have that have these things in common:
1. can be worked slow whether horizontally or jigged
2. have finesse / subtle action
3. have profiles fish are apt to attack (Chatterbait isn't one of them) when given enough time for fish to inspect, become irritated by and then strike. (Hunger as a reason IMO is a human reason fish strike lures. My theory is strictly sense oriented (vision, lateral line) and stimulus provoking.

It's fine to use only a few lures to catch fish one has confidence in and with certain presentations. But as with anything, variety is the spice of fishing - at least in my book, and if I can catch fish on  a dozen different lure designs on one outing, that's what I'll strive to do.  I might find a crankbait bite, jig bite and mini-soft plastic bite all on the same lake at different times. If successful, it means the lures were right for the strike energy level fish possessed at that moment. It's like winning the lottery when that happens! The more lures I have confidence in after they've proven themselves, the less reason not to change just for the H of it!

Here are ideas that blew me away the first time I tried them:
grub bodies attached using a candle flame and hand poured mini-sticks worked wacky style and the usual jighead at one end.



...and all based on an accidental discovery of a mini-stick wacky rigged on a 1/32 oz jig:


This example demonstrates how one idea led to many others and an increase in variety involving shape, thickness, length, color and rigs that equated to a universal species appeal and aggression.

If there's any reason to try new lures or retry old ones, the above is reason enough!
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The Fishinpedia Club House / Re: Good Morning All! :)
« Last post by lipripper on July 16, 2018, 01:19:36 PM »
afternoon ski and no  up here but it is hot and humid . You have a good day.
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The Fishinpedia Club House / Re: Good Morning All! :)
« Last post by iamski on July 16, 2018, 01:14:11 PM »
Afternoon all. It's a hot and humid day here. Thunder showers tomorrow. Have a great da and be safe.
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Lure Talk - Fishinpedia / Re: Went back to from whence I started
« Last post by SENKOSAM on July 16, 2018, 06:36:08 AM »
Welcome to the forum.
I'm a bit older but young at heart LOL.  Been there, done that pretty much what you and everyone has said and don't miss any of it - especially clubs and the politics that ruin them to include the one bass forum I'm pretty sure we've both had negative experiences with.

I still own a ton of tackle - lures, rods and reels accumulated over the decades but now in storage for posterity. I think what saved me dumping the sport was the challenge of making and designing my own lures. Sure, I 've caught bass on every lure and technique known to man, but then what? Fishing in my mind is about the mystery - not what others insist it is. Variety is the spice of life and that includes lure design and lure theory.

Why fish bite has nothing to do with what lure sponsors and fishing shows preach and, strange as it may seem, lure designers - including GY - know exactly why fish bite man-made objects we call lures. And now so do I! There isn't a day I fish that I'm not asking and answering questions regarding lure action and design and it's been so for over a decade.

Sharing ideas is in my mind a way of saying thanks to the fishing gods that have maintained our passion for the unknown that becomes known when it comes to fishing. I've helped a few that never had near as much time or the resources I've had to become a better angler of all freshwater fish species. I can't but help but catch at least 4 species on every outing. Having gone down in lure size and gone light in rod action has allowed my to do just that.

Again, I'm hoping the forum activity here increases. I post regularly on other forums which welcome new ideas and never push products. I keep a photo journal of every outing and post many pictures that prove new ideas true that anyone can validate for themselves. And seeing as how my memory isn't what it once was, continues to remind me what was and what is.

Frank



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The Fishinpedia Club House / Re: Good Morning All! :)
« Last post by iamski on July 15, 2018, 12:43:38 PM »
Afternoon all. Yes lipripper it's getting muggy here also. Then we're in for some possible thunder showers too. Hope all have a safe and fun day.
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The Fishinpedia Club House / Re: Good Morning All! :)
« Last post by lipripper on July 15, 2018, 11:02:24 AM »
 everyone and bassmedic it's just now 10:00 and all ready it feels like 90* with 62% humidity and a dew point of 70* that's muggy. Hope everyone has a nice day and be safe out there.
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