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Author Topic: [Reels] 13 Fishing Concept Z - NO Ball Bearing Reel  (Read 3275 times)

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[Reels] 13 Fishing Concept Z - NO Ball Bearing Reel
« on: July 13, 2017, 09:37:30 PM »

Have you heard of the new 13 Fishing Concept Z reels yet?

They have absolutely NO ball bearings in it!

Instead they use a very special polymer disc in place of the bearings. This disc is known as CZB – Concept Zero Bearing Technology. This translates to super smooth and incredibly silent performance!

Also, being as the bearings are out, so is the corrosion that plagues bearings.

The reels will be somewhere around 200 bucks when they hit the market and they come in a bright orange color, weighs only 6.1 ounces and has 22lbs Bulldog drag.




and here is what replaces the bearings.. a polymer disc  that took 2 years of engineering within a 150 billion dollar polymer company.




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Offline Jigfishn10

Re: 13 Fishing Concept Z - NO Ball Bearing Reel
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2017, 08:26:51 AM »
Dang, talk about a game changer? @Jared, was there any mention as to how it compared with a baitcaster with say regular bearings or ceramic bearings - casting, reeling etc? How many did polymer bearings are installed in the reel?

I'm assuming that most of these questions will have to wait, but I was curious. :)

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Re: 13 Fishing Concept Z - NO Ball Bearing Reel
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2017, 08:52:43 AM »
From what I have garnered it casts smoother, quieter and further. Im not sure how many of these discs are in it though. I am awaiting the companies response to my email.

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Re: 13 Fishing Concept Z - NO Ball Bearing Reel
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 03:41:02 PM »
I hate to be the voice of dissent here, but I would not recommend jumping on these to soon. Reels without bearings isn't anything new, I have several ambassadeur 5000 reels with no bearings that are older than I am. They used bronze bushings. As long as the bushings were kept clean and lubricated, they cast pretty good, but not as good as they would with a good bearing. During the 80's and 90's, several brands introduced reels with nylon bushings. Those reels worked great out of the box but were crap within a year or so. The reason was that nylon, although self lubricating was not durable. Since then, there has been many improvements in the plastics industry. There are some plastics such as delrin that are almost as hard as steel. I would assume that 13's statements about working with a company to design a new plastic polymer is actually just having them modify an existing chemical composition of delrin or a similar plastic to have an impregnated lubricant. As a matter of fact another reel tech talked to them at icast and that's basically what they said. While talking to them about the reel at icast he got them to admit that the reel still has a standard stainless steel anti reverse needle clutch bearing. There isn't any way to make a needle bearing out of plastic and have it hold up to the force of a reel trying to turn backwards. The needle clutch is much more expensive than standard bearings and is usually the first part to suffer from corrosion due to exposure to saltwater. 13's rep also said that their reel casts great out of the box and gets even better with a little use. That statement bothers the heck out of me because it would indicate that the spool turns even more freely after there is a little bit of wear on the inside diameter of the nylon bushing. That means that the spool will get freer and freer until it starts rubbing on the frame, then it's not going turn very free anymore. That's the same thing that happened to those nylon bushing reels from the 90's, this one will probably take a bit longer to do the same thing but still will. In closing, this reel might be a fine choice for light saltwater use due to having more plastic parts and less steel parts, but if you decide that means you don't need to wash it after every use, you will need to replace the needle clutch the first time you let salt get to it without washing it.

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Re: 13 Fishing Concept Z - NO Ball Bearing Reel
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2017, 03:50:48 PM »
Boy I am glad that I have 4 more Shimanos than Missouri law allows so I can't even consider these reels. :celebrate:
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Re: 13 Fishing Concept Z - NO Ball Bearing Reel
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2017, 06:27:56 AM »
With all the Lew's reels I have there is no more room in my rod lockers.  
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Re: 13 Fishing Concept Z - NO Ball Bearing Reel
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2017, 12:26:23 AM »
So just bushings, THATS NOT NEW I have 4 ABU Vintage round reels, that have bushings and no bearings! and they were a lot cheaper than this over priced gimmick
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Offline iamski

Re: 13 Fishing Concept Z - NO Ball Bearing Reel
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 08:16:48 AM »
Well it looks like we'll just have to wait and see. Guess I'll stay with my Lews for now.
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Offline Adam Mihara

Re: 13 Fishing Concept Z - NO Ball Bearing Reel
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2017, 08:53:44 AM »
I'm going to go with @proreel on this one. Have you ever used a reel that had bushings in the handle knob rather than a bearing? That's basically what's going on here. 

Polymer = a blend of synthetic materials. AKA a fancy word to sell things. 

I've found myself moving to Daiwa and Quantum more and more. I know that I'm getting a reliable product in their medium to high end. 

As my old Okumas begin to fail they're getting replaced with these 2. This is not to say D and Q haven't sold gimmicks to people. (See Twitchin Bar. See Flipping Switch.)

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